"You focus on the wrong stuff. It’s true, you are terrible at a lot of things, but there are a couple things that nobody else does as well as you do. It drives me bananas that you will — you will throw yourself away completely because of one or two things that you think about that you think are wrong about you. And that’s what breaks my heart … You gotta ignore those and lean towards the things that make you like yourself. Forget everything else. Fake it. Fake your way upwards."

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For a long time, we tried to fight against the idea that we’re a sad, depressing band — and I’ve never thought of us that way — but it became clear that there’s no way we were ever going to prove otherwise

I think it has the opposite effect for most people who pay attention.
Because singing about melodrama and sadness and depression and romance and social anxieties and whatever they are, have been my ways of embracing them and kind of making something fun out of them and helping me deal.

The songs about that stuff, I find them to be very soothing and leave me feeling the opposite way, leave me feeling relieved. I think most people who pay attention to our band and have followed us don’t think of us as depressing and think of us as the opposite too. But on a cursory level, yes, our songs are not light pop songs.

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